Affichage des articles dont le libellé est Roland MC-09. Afficher tous les articles
Affichage des articles dont le libellé est Roland MC-09. Afficher tous les articles

vendredi 23 mars 2012

Overdrive distortion progress.

Still working on my Overdrive distortion and it is not easy as i was thinking.
Here are the spec i planned for this circuit.

- Soft Clipping (on op amp feedback) and hard clipping (after opamp) selectable
- Hard clipping with Led (to add some blinking stuff)
- not adding too much noize
- true bypass with 4066
- unipolar supply using mc-09 supply
- get a multi purpose distortion PCB (modify diodes, modify gain with trimmers, etc)


You can find a lot of great distortion on the net .. but almost all are guitar distortion, meaning the input signal is not the same, in my case input signal is about 1 to 2 Vpp which i much more that a guitar signal.
This couldn't be a problem but i can't set a high gain on the op amp because the op amp will clip (due to the limited headroom using a 9V single supply) ans the op amp clipping doesn't sounds good.
The good thing about that is the limited gain is also limited noise, but limited gain is limited distortion.
Soft clipping is done by adding diodes (1n4148 for ex.)  in the feedback path of the 1st opamp.

And for the Hard clipping. i planned to use LEDs, so they will blink when distortion happen, but a Typical Vf of a Led is 2V so after the first soft clipping op amp the signal peak is not very high (due to soft clipping) and the Hard clipping effect of the Leds is not very efficient.







You can see here the a soft clippping but peak voltage is 2 volt so the hard clipping after that will not work well..

Adding the Led after for Hard Clipping we get these results  (in RED) :

 as you see, the hard clipping is not very effective. .
So the solution i was thinking is to add a second opamp and do hard clipping after this second op amp.
(also added Led with a higher Vf to stop hard clipping when gain is  low at the second op amp)


 With R4 and R8 will be potentiometers to control the amount of soft and hard clipping ..
see the results here


need to test it in a real situation, because the mc-09 signal is not a perfect sin wave (of course) and adding accent will boost the signal and add clipping on opamp.


vendredi 16 mars 2012

Roland Mc-09 Service Manual

Finally i found it ... the Roland Mc-09 Service manual.

you can download it here : http://elektrotanya.com/?q=showresult&what=roland%20mc-09&kategoria=&kat2=all

vendredi 2 mars 2012

Still working on the Mc-09 Overdrive

I'm still working on it but not satisfied yet with the overdrive results.
If you know a good overdrive circuit, please let me know ...

BTW, the connection point I've found to insert the overdrive inside the Mc-09 are working fine ..


mercredi 1 février 2012

Roland MC-09 overdrive upgrade

MC-09 sounds great (i know ,not like a real one) but in the DSP 303 simulation they forgot some effects : the OVERDRIVE (which is not on the original 303)

It's possible to add a overdrive plugged on output but not funny enought. I want to add a overdrive inside the box with a Jack plug output.
Connecting  the overdrive on the RCA output (but internaly) will not allow to get the overdrive on the headphone plug.

for my point of view it's better to add overdrive after the DAC,  (and before the volume button)so you will get the overdrive on each output (and headphone) but without a  schematic i need to search inside the box.
I saw that the MC-909 got several similarities in the IC used(especially the dac and op amp), and the MC-909 service manual can be found on the net. Will investigate this way.

Update :
I've found where to connect this  please the pictures :

 Here is a quick schematics on how it is organized , i plan to add the Overdrive on the red trace.


The different opamps and the pint where you should find audio. (white and red)

The different opamps and the pint where you should find audio. (white and red.
the point marked  1 are after the volume amp.
the point marked 2 are after the headphone amp.
the point marked 3 are before the volume pot, we should replace the 2 caps by the overdrive.










Roland Mc-09 PhraseLab Teardown

As Dave (EEVblog) would say : Don't turn it on, take it apart!

See some picture of a Roland MC-09 inside .. :

The Panel  outside and inside





The main board [Bottom]

The Main Board [Top]






Detailed Views
          - Power Parts


  
          -Audio out/in Parts
               Headphone plug
 audio in/out


               -DSP/ uC /RAM /Flash
uController  (only for smartmedia??)
 The DSP
 the Flash
 RAM 1 (maybe for external sample)
 Ram 2
Ram2

   -the DAC (for in and out) the small chip near the RAM

      -   the sliders

   - smartmedia connector

Mainboard with chip placement




Some References, datasheet, chip list of the one i've found (only the identified component)

RAM x1

GM71C18163C
1,048,576 WORDS x 16 BIT
CMOS DYNAMIC RAM

LC324260BJ-60    (4Meg)
Fast Page Mode Dynamic RAM
256K x  16

Flash x1

8M (1M ´ 8/512K ´ 16) BIT
MBM29F800BA-70PFTN

uC x1

16bit microcomputer
H8/3006
Renesas 16-Bit Single-Chip Microcomputer


OP AMP x4
 Dual low-noise operational amplifiers
M5218a
http://bihai.ic37.com/pdf1/pdf1yuikjh78y899/2006-1-1/3591/M5218_www.ic37.com.pdf

AD/DA Converter x1
AK4552
3V 96Khz 24bit
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4552/ak4552_f01e.pdf

DSP x1
R02231767 RA0A-101 (TC223C080AF-101)
Same as MC-909 or DR-880

Regulator
29M33
UPC29M33A
THREE-TERMINAL LOW DROPOUT VOLTAGE REGULATOR 3.3V

17805T
Standard 78 series, 3-pin regulator



Other Logic ICs

VHC 32
TC74VHC32F
QUAD 2-INPUT OR GATE

VHC74
TC74VHC74F
Dual D-Type Flip-Flop with Preset and Clear

VHC 08
TC74VHC08FT
http://elcodis.com/parts/616126/TC74VHC08FTELM.html#datasheet
Quad 2-Input AND Gate

LV4051A
HD74LV4051A
8-CHANNEL ANALOG MULTIPLEXER/DEMULTIPLEXER


LV245A
SN74LV245A
Octal Bus Transceivers With 3-State Outputs